Just How Many Homeless?
How many homeless in Cincinnati? Depends who's counting
The question of how many homeless people that we have is an honest one.
He asks Georgine Getty for an honest explanation...
The 25,000 figure drops to 1,300 real fast, and even that may be an exageration by a stretch. Most of the people that actually live on the streets suffer from mental illness. The Greater Cincinnati Coalition for the Homeless likes to trot out the 25,000 figure, and the media even repeat it as fact. We don't even have 25,000 residents in OTR and the West End combined.
Here is a hint, they do it for the funding.
What caught my attention was of course the state of Ohio's total of 16,165. That number jumped out at me because of the homeless advocates who routinely claim nearly 25,000 homeless in the city of Cincinnati alone. How is that possible? This claim can be seen on their own website.
I think this is worth investigating. The city is facing a looming budget crisis, yet any hint of cuts in socials services result in claims of impending doom. I think these agencies have a vice grip on the city and are more interested in turning Cincinnati into one large Skid Row. How many homeless are there really, and is the city, county, even Federal and State spending more than needed?
The question of how many homeless people that we have is an honest one.
He asks Georgine Getty for an honest explanation...
Thanks for your question. The National Alliance to End Homelessness used numbers that follow the HUD[20] definition of homelessness, which only includes people living in shelters, on the street, or in places not fit for human habitation, like abandoned buildings, cars etc. We use the Department of Education's definition, which includes these folks and also people who are precariously housed by "doubling up" (staying with other people for a few days or weeks, but not on the lease).
Also, their number is a point in time count for one night. I know their information reads like it's 16,165 for the whole year, but it's not. It's just on any night of the year that many people are homeless. Our 25,000 number is the number of people who will experience homelessness at some point over the course of a year.
Following the stricter HUD definition (not including people who are doubled up), we estimate that there are 1,300 people homeless each night in Cincinnati -- 1100 in shelters and an additional 200 on the street, in cars, etc. Of course, this number is probably low because we have no way of finding everyone staying in cars and we do not check abandoned buildings for safety reasons.
The 25,000 figure drops to 1,300 real fast, and even that may be an exageration by a stretch. Most of the people that actually live on the streets suffer from mental illness. The Greater Cincinnati Coalition for the Homeless likes to trot out the 25,000 figure, and the media even repeat it as fact. We don't even have 25,000 residents in OTR and the West End combined.
Here is a hint, they do it for the funding.
posted by Male Dallory at 2:11 AM
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I think the 1,100 in shelters is very high. It was reported that the Drop Inn Center had 230 people last night, the coldest night of the year in the largest shelter in the state. I would love to see Ms. Getty's breakdown of the shelters and the number of people sleeping there.
Back on topic!
Thank you and welcome back.
Please keep up the good work you did in 2006.
During your vacation, there was another Parktown shoot-em-up.
EZ cancelled their January meeting because J.E. asked too many tough questions about criminal Dickie Weiland's attempt to scam $500,000 EZ dollars.
Poppa Mallory is the "DREAMKEEPER" award winner. The dream is to have a harem of countless women, $500,000/yr of EZ loot, and government jobs for all of his dysfunctional family. AND HE LIVES THE DREAM.
It's a wonderful country!
Social Service agencies in Cincinnati do not have a vice-grip on the city. The City Manager made that very clear in his budget proposal and Council half held true. The fight for Human Service dollars (from social service agencies) increases with every budget cycle. As this city's revenue (tax base) continues to decline so does the funding for Human Services. The days of economic prospertiy, yielding plenty of money to give, are over (for now) and this council realizes that funding human services is not a municipal obligation or responsibility - directly. Social Service agencies were notified during the last budget cycle to start looking elsewhere for funding and the difficulties during this budget cycle drove that point home even further.
I do not agree with you that the agencies have a blatant plan to turn Cincinnati into one large skid row. Consider the mentality. There are hundreds of social service agencies serving Cincinnati's poor and homeless population. Each with its own effort and agenda. Some providing good outcomes - others not. Either way, each is set in, or blinded by (depending on your viewpoint), their belief and passion.
City council realizes that this city's economic future is dim. It realizes that dollars must go into rebuilding its tax base. It too realizes that its people make up that tax base and this explains the dollars allocated to human services. Council realizes the conflict that exist. Are social service agencies blinded to the point that they can't see the conflict their efforts create between a social service culture and economic development in Cincinnati? Afterall, are the social service agencies in the basin (for example) because the needy population is there? Or, is the needy population there because the agencies are? Advocates for the poor and homeless would answer that question differently than advocates for economic/ community development including council.
welcome bacnk Mr Dallory. you have been missed
Welcome back, Mr. Dallory! Certainly missed you! When I saw mention of the Homeless in Korte's blog, that really got the blood pressure pumping. At the last public hearing on the budget, Homeless Network Advocate Georgine Getty scraped to a new low to threaten council people that they wouldn't get elected. Now, just how many homeless people do you know get up off the mat at the Drop In center to go vote on Election Day? The vagrants are only looking for a meal, a couple of dollars for a bottle in a bag & a pack of smokes. They could care less who's running what. The numbers Getty tossed out, redacted & regurgitated is the ploy to keep those gifts from the taxpayers rolling in the door & to utilize that smoke & mirrors technique to keep at bay any form of accountability.
Off the topic & updates for our Truth Squaders:
Dale Mallory was a NO SHOW at his hearing with the loan people, CadleRock. It's now continued out to February. He's been served papers specifying that he pulls another no show, the Sheriff will send Deputies to arrest him. Meanwhile, the interest money meter is still clicking.
Gobel Bean, a BCF associate & stooge for the Mallory Cabal, has been indicted by the Grand Jury for Felony 3 purse snatching. He's still squatting in the Ironbar Hotel Downtown.
Our trusted Court House Gadfly will continue to follow these cases - updates as they are available!
Carstairs,
Can you help me understand how Gobel is tied to the mallorys? I am particuarly interested as it seems that the Mallorys have surrounded themselves with thugs and the pulic needs someone to keep track and point this out
If you build a stadium you will attract sports fans. If you build a convention center you will attract business. If you build a concentration of social service facilities you will attract those in need of these services. When we talk about the "homeless" it is ironic that folks jump into HUD definitions. What they dont tell you is where the homeless are coming from. The majority of homeless are coming directly from Jail. Cincinnati is a Mecca for excons. We have a unmatched vast social services network that is ready and willing to provide all kinds of free stuff. Excons are resourceful they are gong to migrate to the City that can give them the most. With the migration of excons pouring into our City comes crime. Its 2007 and we are wondering why our murder rate is so high our tax paying ( working) population is decreasing. We are slowly slipping into an environment that more closely resembles New Orleans. I find it very ironic that many people refer to Cincinnati as a conservative City. This is particularly ironic and completely misleading when you realize that Cincinnati has been a liberal City for over 50 years. It is almost impossible to get a republican elected to City Council, the School system is controlled by the liberals and look where that has taken us. CPS spend more money on ensuring that contracts are given to minorities than the do on making sure kids get an education. By the way this is popa Mallorys doing. Poppa Mallory has a long long history of making our schools the funding mechanism for minority owned businesses. Oh lets be very clear on what minority means, it means black, not Hispanic, not Asia. This is not diversity or inclusion. It is another troth for free loading friends of the Mallorys to live off the tax payers at the expense of our children. Poppa Mallory has carefully orchestrated the demise of Cincinnati during his 40 years of public “service”. Look at the decline of Cincinnati it follows Poppas rein to power.
This is on page 11 of the current CITYBEAT. And also on the Porkopolis blog.
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It might be a new year, but two criminal investigations alleging possible voter fraud and embezzlement still are lingering from 2006, and local law enforcement officials say they’re not sure when the probes will be completed.
One investigation involves a dispute between newly elected State Rep. Dale Mallory (D-West End), Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory’s brother, and the West End Community Council; the other probe involves State Rep. Tom Brinkman Jr. (R-Mount Lookout) and questions about whether signatures were intentionally forged on an aborted petition drive seeking to overturn the city’s Human Rights Ordinance.
In each investigation — the Cincinnati Police Department in the former, the Hamilton County Prosecutor’s Office in the latter — officials say the matters involved are so complicated that they require extra time and effort, and they wouldn’t estimate when the inquiries would be completed.
People who lodged the complaints that sparked the investigations, however, say the allegations depend on a fairly straightforward series of facts that should be easily discernable if they have any merit.
In May 2006, Dale Mallory wrote checks totaling $1,119 that emptied the West End Community Council’s bank account, which occurred more than three months after his impeachment as the group’s president and a few weeks after his lawsuit seeking reinstatement was dropped. Mallory has said the money was for an arts program at the YMCA the council authorized in February, but group leaders said no vote was ever taken.
The community council filed a complaint in June with Cincinnati Police that alleged embezzlement. A month later, Police Lt. Col. James Whalen told the council that the Mallory investigation was turned over to the FBI to avoid a possible conflict of interest; Mayor Mallory has oversight responsibility for the Police Department. FBI agents, though, later said the allegations didn’t involve enough money to merit their involvement and handed the case back to police. It’s now been more than 230 days since the bank account was closed.
Police Lt. Steve Kramer, the department’s major fraud investigations commander, is handling the investigation. Lt. Tom Lanter, a department spokesman, this week described the probe as “a long-term investigation that is ongoing.”
“It’s apparently pretty complex and pretty involved,” Lanter said. “(Kramer) couldn’t even give me an estimation on when they’ll be bringing that to a resolution.”
Some community council members who have copies of the cancelled checks signed by Mallory are angry that it’s taken so long for police to respond, calling it “an open and shut case.”
Meanwhile, the prosecutor’s office launched an investigation in August 2006 into forged signatures and the alteration of more than 1,000 addresses on referendum petitions circulated by a group affiliated with Citizens for Community Values (CCV), in the group’s efforts to overturn a Cincinnati law that gives anti-discrimination protection to gays and lesbians.
The CCV-related group collected more than 14,000 signatures, but about half were immediately dismissed by election officials as ineligible. That left the group with 7,656 signatures, just two more than legally required to get a referendum on the ballot. Of those, more than 1,300 were facing a legal challenge by the law’s backers, Citizens to Restore Fairness.
The law’s supporters alleged that the manner in which addresses were changed proves a systemic effort by the CCV-related group, not the actions of a lone circulator as it had claimed. Addresses were marked out and replaced with new ones on 1,016 of the signatures collected by the group. The addresses that were changed were for signers who lived outside Cincinnati city limits and were replaced by addresses for people who live within the city and have the same or similar names. That type of effort could only come from someone comparing the names with the rolls of registered voters, according to Gary Wright, a Citizens to Restore Fairness leader.
In a column written by The Cincinnati Enquirer’s Peter Bronson after the petitions were withdrawn, Brinkman admitted that he was to be paid $60,000 by the CCV-related group if the petition drive were successful and nothing if it weren’t. Also, Brinkman was advanced $40,000 to coordinate the effort, he told Bronson. During the campaign, the group refused to identify who received the $40,000 when it filed required disclosure forms with state officials, citing First Amendment concerns.
The group has blamed the problems on “a pro-homosexual ‘mole’ that got in and tried to sabotage these petitions,” according to the conservative Christian newspaper Citizen USA.
Jennifer Irey, spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office, said the probe is ongoing. “It’s still actively under investigation at this time,” Irey said this week. She didn’t know when the inquiry might be completed.
— Kevin Osborne
Pick up this week's edition of City Beat and read the article, STATE REPS.GONE WILD, featuring the honorable dale 4 sale mallory's continued criminal investigation. The CPD are still hot on the trail of dale's sorry ass treatment of his former community, THE WEST END. Now that all the mallorys have left the West End,mark to his parent's home in Mt.Airy, and dale to Columbus maybe the WEST END can finally move forward.Bad luck for the 32nd, great news for the WEST END!! The mallory reign is finally over!!!!
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